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« on: April 17, 2006, 10:38:02 AM »
I just want to know if I'm the only who miss some good Disney movie like Lion king, Tarzan or Beauty and the Beast. I find that sad that now it's just CG.
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« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2006, 03:13:31 AM »
I believe that they are trying to bring back the classical department now that Lasseter has a role in running the division.


To be honest though, I haven't really felt like I've been missing something. There are more animated films than ever being released, so I'm still getting my fix of the art form. There's also a tons of great films coming out of japan and europe using hand drawn animation.

Curious George was a fun flick Wink
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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2006, 04:25:35 AM »
I'm not missing hand drawing films, I missing really good story telling Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2006, 11:27:07 AM »
Quote from: Bones on April 17, 2006, 10:38:02 AM
I just want to know if I'm the only who miss some good Disney movie like Lion king, Tarzan or Beauty and the Beast. I find that sad that now it's just CG.

I do!!
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« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2006, 11:35:54 AM »
Yes, there are more animated films released but in the same time I kind of feel that there is a lack of quality especially in the story, as Phil said. And I'm thinking that CG could be a cause ( for a 'bad' movie I'm sure that CG is less expensive than traditionnal ).
In the same time, I kind of miss Disney spirit, my parents used to take us in Paris (Le Grand REX) to go to see them! it's was something great when I was a child.

Hope that they will bring it back. Tongue

I didn't see Curious Jack.
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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2006, 01:41:51 PM »
Well, for me, appart from missing good story telling what I think is that CG is a pretty new medium and it's still in evolution.

I think that it doesn't matter the medium if it's well done, it's entertaining and has a good story. But what I noticed so far is that CG is becoming a new tool for animators. Some are trying to make this CG look more as a traditional look, some others are looking for hiper-realistic looking but does it matter ? I don't think so!

C'mon guys, If I go to the cinema, I don't care if the movie is done by traditional drawings or CG, I just want to see a good movie!

For me CG is just a tool and I'm looking forward to see the new generation of movies!

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« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2006, 06:34:42 AM »
I have to agree about the lack of great stories these days. As for missing hand drawn animation... Well, I'm not really. I'm excited by 3D more every day, the boundaries are being pushed all the time, and stuff like Chicken Little really closed the gap between 3D and 2D for me. The squash and stretch, and features in those characters are fantastic, I wanna see more of that!  Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2006, 09:44:33 AM »
True that the gap between 2D and 3D is not that big anymore. And maybe what I feel is just about the story. I read the arcticle about simplicity post by David and I think it's so true and maybe it's the prob with 3D, when you've done a character it's easier to use it in lots of scenes that were not really important.
Anyway... I think most of you are right, it's not the way we do a movie that is important but more the scenario!
By the way fo the stretch / squach, I didn't see yet Chicken Little, but in Age ace 2 I was really amazed by some moves. Like Scrat when he put his head in the hole in the ice or when he hides his head in his body!
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« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2006, 12:32:23 PM »
The thing is that we're now in a more commercial world than before, in the film industry I mean. There's a lot of production houses where rentability counts definitely more than telling a good story or making a good movie.
Disney were pionneers. They were experimenting all the time and I'm sure seeing their films on big screen was as amazing for disney artist as for the audience at the time.
Now, if a bad movie in terms of story or design or whatever can make money, why they wouldn't do it ?
I didn't saw Hoodwinked, but in terms of animation, design etc... it was really bad. Now may be the story and the gags are terrific and that's why it did a huge hit and I'm sure Hoodwinked 2 is already in preproduction Smiley
I really do miss huge stories, why someone out there couldn't write another story like LOTR ? or Star Wars ?
I think the thing is most of the time, money and talent are not owned by the same person...Pixar and some others place excepted...

Well...when is the big next one ?? you guys have an idea ? Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2006, 12:37:42 PM »
When is the next one? what do you mean? sorry I didn't understan?  Tongue big hit like starwars or LOTR?

by the way about 2D/3D, here is a link of a 3d short movie render with a really nice cartoon shader!

http://flbl.net/akajou/index.php?movies
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« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2006, 01:29:16 PM »
yeah the next LOTR or Star wars Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2006, 10:52:48 AM »
I sure miss it. There's so much in 2D that's still not there in 3D... Listen to Glen Keane's latest interview in the Animation Podcast. If you look at the way he draws in his films... most of that stuff is just something that can't be done yet in CG. Not without drawing first. Like Glen says... the future is in the combination of the two. That's one of the reasons I'm still doing handdrawn animation. Having drawing skills will give me the ability to do a lot, and adapt to changes. If you just learn CG animation, I personally think you might run into problems later. There will always be some of it, especially in FX, but the market will get smaller.

And frankly, up till now, I haven't seen any CG film that was as visually exciting as 2D. Maybe the backgrounds in Nemo. But not characterwise. The depth you get is great, and many films are now trying to incorporate some of that 2D in the 3D, but not enough to match it, for me.
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